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Carl Blair - 14:31 Monday 10 February 2025 (32614) Print this report
Temperature change identification of ETMX violin modes

There is some confusion within the klog about the frequencies of violin modes.  In this klog I use temperature difference of ETMX in 2023 to identify the ETMX modes.  The purpose is to set up notches for the ETMX IM drive to try to avoid excitation of the violin modes.  Also to set up active damping of the ETMX violin modes.  The ETMX modes that are identified are 173.15, 178.82, 180.60, 182.88, 184.74Hz.  Modes that may be ETMX modes are at frequencies 168.29 and ,174.25, 181.34 and 181.84Hz.  If there is data of long lock stretches where the ETMX temperature is changing looking for the associated change in violin mode frequency  like 32060 may be a more accurate way to identify violin modes. Same for other test masses if temperature changes occur.

The first attached figure shows a sample of spectral data that was used to identify ETMX modes.  The time periods used were:  ETMX 86K, others 250K - 22/5/2023 14:00 UTC. All ~80K - 22/1/2025 1:45:30UTC. All 250K - 11/12/2024 10:00:00 UTC.  All measurements have measurement BW 0.01Hz, 50 averages, 50% overlap.  The full list of mode frequencies is given in the second attached xls file.  Many ETMX modes do not have the same frequency Δ~0.1Hz now as 1.5 years ago. The average change in mode frequency between 250K and 80K is about 0.15Hz or ~1mHz/K.  There should be 8 violin modes, 2 for each fiber. The splitting into two fiber modes would result from fiber asymetry.  There are no clear doublets like observed at LIGO. If the mode frequencues identified here are indeed some of the 8 fiber modes I think the fiber must deviate from circular by ~1% to explain mode frequencies.

Previous klogs report ETMX violin mode frequencies (klog25876 and klog26113) and klog27845, klog32133(from  klog31977), klog32548.  The fact that there are 3 numbers in common (green) between this measure and previous measures makes me confident these modes have been positively identified.   Generally the previous techniques appears to be to drive broadband noise in L or P in the IM and look for increased DARM noise or the ring down (in DARM I think).  There are multiply identified peaks using the previous technique (marked reds) as reported previously.  I wonder if DARM is leaking back to the ETMs, resulting in excitation of ETM modes and misidentified modes?

ETMX

this klog 168.29 ? 173.15 178.82 180.60 182.875 184.742 174.25 ? 181.34 ? 181.84 ?
klog26113 167.100

177.862

178.820 181.340 182.872       190.754
klog32133           184.562      
klog32548 178.93 180.23 180.60 182.45 182.92 183.23 184.79    

 

I now understand that the violin modes may be being excited by DAC glitches due to VIS model overruns. This may have been fixed with the model split. If the violin modes continue to be excited I have set up notches in FM5 of K1:VIS-ETMX_IM_DRIVEALIGN_L2P to determine if notching the L2P drive signals to the IM can reduce mode excitation.  The filter history is always on, has a few second step response and is ramped on over 10 sec. 
I have setup violin mode damping filters in K1:VIS-ETMX_NBDAMP_P4 and K1:VIS-ETMX_NBDAMP_P5. 184Hz is set up (damping gain -40phase +60).  The others will need some careful tuning before use.

Comparing previous violin mode identification.
ITMX

klog32547 173.21 174.27 179.88 180.27 181.17 181.90 181.93 182.34 184.79
klog32550 179.88 180.27              
klog26113 168.285

174.226

178.400 179.381 184.741? 187.290      
klog32133   174.141              

ITMY

klog32547 176.77 178.66 179.59 180.13 180.60 181.17 181.89 181.93 181.97 182.34 184.62
klog26113 176.504

179.897

182.25? 184.741?              
klog32133     176.594                

ETMY

klog32546 166.84 167.81 168.31 178.66 179.71 180.13 180.60 182.45 189.93 191.38
klog26113 168.012

173.149

  173.125   180.782 181.836? 183.400 189.608  
klog32133 klog31963             187.421 189.716  
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Carl Blair - 18:20 Wednesday 12 February 2025 (32646) Print this report

I updated the tables with Yokozawa-san's very nice measurements over the last 2 days (Bottom rows). They look self consistent and consistent with some previous measurements and are consistent with most of the temperature change ETMX measurements other than the temperature identification of a mode at 173.2Hz that I think could merit further investigation by driving ETMX at this frequency, Yokozawa-san measurements identify it as ITMX (spectrum attached : Note new XML file with 10W lock time 31/1/2025 07:00UTC with 30 averages and better signal tonoise ratio).  I also used Yokozawa-san's measured frequencies to update notch filters and active damping filters for ETMX.

ITMX

klog32547 173.21 174.27 179.88 180.27 181.17 181.90 181.93 182.34 184.79
klog32550 179.88 180.27              
klog26113 168.285

174.226

178.400 179.381 184.741? 187.290      
klog32133   174.141              
klog32643 173.203 174.281 178.125 180.281 181.172 181.938 182.344    

ITMY

klog32547 176.77 178.66 179.59 180.13 180.60 181.17 181.89 181.93 181.97 182.34 184.62
klog26113 176.504

179.897

182.25? 184.741?              
klog32133     176.594                
klog32643 176.766 178.672 179.594 180.125 180.984 184.609          

ETMX

klog 168.29 ? 173.15 178.82 180.60 182.875 184.742 174.25 ? 181.34 ? 181.84 ?
klog26113 167.100

177.862

178.820 181.340 182.872       190.754
klog32133           184.562      
klog32548 178.93 180.23 180.60 182.45 182.92 183.23 184.79    
klog32643 178.938 180.234 180.609 182.453 182.922 183.234 184.797    

ETMY

klog32546 166.84 167.81 168.31 178.66 179.71 180.13 180.60 182.45 189.93 191.38
klog26113 168.012

173.149

  173.125   180.782 181.836? 183.400 189.608  
klog32133 klog31963             187.421 189.716  
klog32643 166.844 167.266 167.812 168.312 183.625 187.531 189.922 191.156? 191.375?  
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