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yutaro.enomoto - 15:00 Wednesday 21 November 2018 (7071) Print this report
Frequency noise measured by Green with ALS CARM loop closed/opened

[Izumi, Miyakawa, Nakano, Enomoto]

To investigate the noise that limits the frequency stablity we can reach with ALS, we took spectra of control signals.

One is CARM control signal when ALS CARM loop is closed.

The other is PDHX control signal when ALS CARM loop is open.

Both channel should observe the PSL frequecy in the same way.

The following shows the results: 
They almost coincide but the hight of the structure around several hundred Hz is higher in CARM total.

 

 

This is a little bit different one. In-loop frequency stablity when ALS CARM is closed.
The suppression should be enough.

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kiwamu.izumi - 18:03 Wednesday 21 November 2018 (7076) Print this report

Yutaro, Kiwamu,

Discussing over the phone, we are now suspecting that the PDH loop itself might have high sensing noise.

This hypothetical sensing noise can be as high as those we saw in the first attachment of the main log (see the plot) i.e.,1-10 Hz/Hz1/2 for 1064 nm above 20 Hz.


[Estimation of the frequency stabiility for the green PDH loop]

An estimation of the frequency stability for the green PDH can be obtained from the well-known transmission Lorentzian:

(Normalized Transmission) = 1 / (1 - (Delta f / f_c )2 ),

where Delta f is a frequency deviation of the 532-nm laser light with respect to a resonance in Hz and where f_c is the cavity pole which is about 490 Hz for 532 nm. Since we remembered that RIN in transmission has been something like 10% (or perhaps a bit smaller), we can guess that this corresponds to Delta f of 328 Hz for 532 nm in rms integrated below the cavity pole.

 

[Guesstimated sensing noise]

We now assume that sensing noise is flat in frequency domain in terms of frequency fluctuation in order to get some idea of how big it might be. In this case, it has to be as high as

(sensing noise) = 328 Hz / (490)1/2  = 14 Hz/Hz1/2 for 532 nm.

Looking at the spectra that Yutaro took yesterday (which are evaluated for 1064 nm and therefore one needs to multuply an extra factor of 2 to convert them to those for 532 nm), this estimated number seems close to what we saw in the actual measurements. If this theory holds, what we have seen in the unsuppressed PDH noise above 20 Hz would actually have to be sensing noise.

Now, moving on further, we estimate an effective RMS fluctuation in the frequency of the 1064 nm light using the above guesstimation. Very roughly speaking, since the 532nm stability is about 328 Hz, frequency noise in 1064 nm can be as big as 328/2 Hz = 164 Hz in rms. Qualitatively spaking, since the 1064 nm light expereinces a lower cavity pole, this rms estimation should be somewhat reduced when one compares this number against the cavity transmission in time series (see, for example, 7030). Overall, this theory doesn't contradict with the behaviors we have seen so far.

 

[Some other facts]

  • When the PDH loop is closed, fiber phase noise should be suppressed and therefore should not be critical in our consideration where the CARM loop is opened.
  • Similarly, any noises that are introduced in the PLL shouldn't contribute to the out-of-loop PDH stability because they should be suppressed as well.
  • According to the camera streaming of the green transmission, frequency fluctuation has some fast components faster than the mechanical motions of the suspensions.
kazuya.yokogawa - 10:11 Thursday 22 November 2018 (7086) Print this report

[Nakano, Enomoto, Sugimoto, Yokogawa]

(Yesterday work)

We suspected that the effect of RAM in phase modulation by Gr EOM is limiting the frequency stability (the above plot) and investigated the effect of RAM.

The attached figure is measured noise of the PDH error signal which taken at the I-phase output of I&Q demodulator for Gr PDHX. This is equivalent to the effect of RAM(Residual Amplitude Modulation) in phase modulation by Gr EOM. This noise seems to have the same shape as the noise of the PDH control signal (black line in above plot) especially at around 350 Hz and 1.x kHz. However, it was concluded that the factor of limiting the frequency stability is not the effect of RAM, since the effect of RAM should be a lower noise level in the frequency noise from simple calculations.

 

The data is stored at:

KAGRA Dropbox/Personal/Yokogawa/PDH/20181121

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yutaro.enomoto - 14:30 Thursday 22 November 2018 (7088) Print this report

= Discrepancy and low coherence between residual frequency noise measured by IMC and by PDH loop of X arm =

This plot compares two frequency noise spectra; one is residual frequency fluctuation of IMC, calbrated from error signal of IMC, and the other is (believed to be) PSL frequency fluctuation measured by X arm green lock, calibrated from the control signal of X arm PDH.
One can expect that, at high frequency region, these two match. However they do not. The possible cause for this I can come up with is the sensing noise of green lock (PLL or PDH) and/or the sensing noise of IMC.

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yutaro.enomoto - 17:00 Thursday 22 November 2018 (7093) Print this report

Kiwamu, Yutaro,

RIN of Gr Transmission.

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kiwamu.izumi - 18:03 Thursday 22 November 2018 (7094) Print this report

RIN of 3 % in rms would mean a frequency stability of 172 Hz in rms for the 532-nm light (see the calculation in 7076).

If we take out the suspension-dominated region below 10 Hz, RIN maybe as high as 2% in rms. This corresponds to an rms fluctuation of 140 Hz for the 532-nm light. So we cannot still rule out the possiblity that there is high sensing noise in the ALS PDH loop.

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